The Dim-Post

July 1, 2016

Our trade negotiators are the best in the world at telling everyone they’re the best in the world

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 11:04 am

Via the Herald:

Foreign Minister Murray McCully has offered Britain any help New Zealand can give to assist its post-Brexit negotiations – and isn’t ruling out giving them the use of our top trade negotiators.

How to negotiate trade deals like New Zealand:

  1. Unilaterally scrap all of your tariffs
  2. Spend thirty years traveling the world begging other countries to do the same.
  3. They don’t.


  1. Heh. To be fair though, the China deal has been a bit of a result.
    The offer does seems more positioning rather than substance given that as I understand it, the UK can’t actually start independent negotiations until they actually exit the EU.

    Comment by Gregor W — July 1, 2016 @ 11:12 am

  2. For example the Saudi sheep deal

    Comment by dv — July 1, 2016 @ 11:43 am

  3. Or Rio Tinto. Build them a dam at Manapouri, give them a supercheap electricity deal then pay them to keep taking same electricity at heavily discounted rates.

    Comment by McNulty — July 1, 2016 @ 1:08 pm

  4. Now now Danyl, you’re missing out that it forced us to have a real technical revolution in the agriculture, horticulture and viticulture sectors, which we’ve used to undermine NZ producers by selling the technology to other countries.

    Comment by Robert Singers — July 1, 2016 @ 1:29 pm

  5. Of course thanks to that no protectionism (& no subsidy) policy we have some of the best producers in the world who are among the most competitive, NZ is one of the stronger economies in the West, and our standard of living high in comparison to much of the world despite being so far from our markets. We are still way over-regulated and over-taxed, but all those advantages just from stopping the protectionist policies. Noting the biggest benefits of all this had by Kiwi consumers.

    Comment by Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) — July 1, 2016 @ 2:31 pm

  6. ” the UK can’t actually start independent negotiations until they actually exit the EU.”

    In theory they could start informal negotiations t any point, but the EU position seems to be that they won’t negotiate, even informally, until the UK pulls the trigger on Article 50.

    So if the EU’s position changed, negotiations could start.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — July 1, 2016 @ 2:41 pm

  7. I’m only just old enough to recall was like in heavily tariffed NZ, remember when the first Japanese imports came in and you hopped into a mazda 626 and the dash looked like something our of a sci fi movie and you got back into dads shoddily locally assembled telstar with blank plates covering the spots where basic accessories other first world countries took for granted in a car had been removed? Who doesn’t long for those days right?

    Nicky Hagar I guess, his family fortune was based on overseas competition being unable to compete with their business but apart from that I’d be bloody surprised if anyone else remembers them particularly fondly from a consumer point of view.

    Comment by Cliff Clavin — July 1, 2016 @ 5:28 pm

  8. @#7 At least we didn’t have a certain tosser tooling around town in his Lamborghini while other people lived in their shoddy old Jap imports.

    Comment by Grant — July 1, 2016 @ 6:24 pm

  9. Hey Cliff, would you like me to take a chip out of your other shoulder so you can finally get some balance?

    Comment by Michael — July 1, 2016 @ 9:52 pm

  10. Michael, was that your own zinger?[ chortles and slaps thigh] wow!!!! Can I use that sometime? Just awesome and incredibly original too.
    I did notice however no attempt to rebut anything I said , probably because it was true and as other pointed out making NZ consumers pay through the nose while a few got very wealthy out of the rorts involved in industries relying on tariffs and when sanity prevailed and they were finally lifted our primary industries became world leaders.
    I think the post above yours perhaps represents someone with a chip, I personally couldn’t care less what Mike Hosking drives , does , or says on tv and so many on the left seem almost as obsessed with Hosking as he is with himself. Why do you think that is? Is it because he became very wealthy by channelling a weak antipodean version of Hugh Grants stutters and tics or because he’s simply a obnoxious twat? Thats probably for others to decide because I’d rather shave my head with a potato peeler while chewing on tinfoil than watch seven sharp.

    Comment by Cliff Clavin — July 2, 2016 @ 10:53 am

  11. NZ is one of the stronger economies in the West, and our standard of living high in comparison to much of the world despite being so far from our markets

    Absolutely. In how many other Western nations can someone get on the property ladder by buying a car?

    Comment by Ross — July 2, 2016 @ 11:05 am

  12. Who doesn’t long for those days right?

    Ah yes, the bad old days, when we had full employment, a high standard of living and murder was big news. I don’t recall people living in cars or debates about house prices, politicians selling out, or climate change. What an awful time that was.

    Comment by Ross — July 2, 2016 @ 11:19 am

  13. @Ross: People should have been talking about climate change in the 50s and 60s. There were carbon emissions galore. The fact that there was no awareness of it isn’t to their credit.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — July 3, 2016 @ 12:03 am

  14. National know how to do terrible deals. Well…to be fair, we don’t typically know they are terrible (assuming we ignored all the many warnings they were terrible) until years later…..during which time we have probably had a Labour-lead government who can then be blamed.

    Comment by truthseekernz — July 3, 2016 @ 8:10 pm

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