The Dim-Post

August 2, 2016

That must feel so sweet

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 12:59 pm

Via Radio NZ:

The Māori Party says it can’t support Helen Clark’s bid to head the United Nations because of the way she treated Māori when Prime Minister of New Zealand.

Miss Clark, who now heads the United Nations Development Programme, hopes to become the next secretary-general of the world body.

But Māori Party co-leader Marama Fox said Helen Clark had a poor track record when it came to respecting the rights of indigenous people.

“The Labour Party refused to sign the Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which is a part of the UN agenda.

The Labour Party in its time saw the Tuhoe raids and of course also there is the Foreshore and Seabed amendment which took the rights of Māori away to go to court.”

Ms Fox said someone seeking the top role at the United Nations should be able to acknowledge their past mistakes and apologise for them.

But Labour says the Māori Party’s refusal to support Helen Clark in her bid to head the United Nations stinks.

The stakes here seem pretty low to me, because Clark seems to have almost zero chance of winning this thing. But the politics are very clever: Labour and the Maori Party are locked in a deadly struggle for the Maori seats, and this is such a sweet way for the MP to remind their constituents how comprehensively Labour fucked them when they were in government. Which is, presumably, why Labour are so outraged.

34 Comments »

  1. Thankfully Kevin Rudd’s bid was shot down, he had no chance at all. I think Helen Clark has a greater than 1% chance of getting the job, albeit not much greater than that.

    Comment by Korakys — August 2, 2016 @ 1:35 pm

  2. The Maori Party critique seems valid: she has a poor track record and minimal credibility. She conducts the traditional leftist sham sufficiently well to seem useful to the Bilderbergers but that may not suffice. If third-world voters hear the Maori verdict she will have to bombard them with more than the usual number of platitudes to overcome it.

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 2, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

  3. Good on them. Clark is literally the reason the Māori Party exists.

    Comment by James — August 2, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

  4. Well we should be able to get rid of race based seats then if everyone is down with open and transparent government.

    Comment by Richard Williams — August 2, 2016 @ 1:44 pm

  5. Well we should be able to get rid of race based seats then if everyone is down with open and transparent government.

    Bye bye Epsom!

    Comment by Gregor W — August 2, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

  6. Epsom’s not a race-based seat. Some Asian people live there, too.

    Comment by Phil — August 2, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

  7. The Maori Party’s great history in full:

    1) Formed to fight for seabed and foreshore. Proud and powerful hikoi. Demand return of “mana”.
    2) “Mana” duly restored – to Sharples and Turia. Seabed and foreshore immediately forgotten. Maori voters fucked.
    3) Sharples and Turia no longer in parliament. Seabed and foreshore suddenly remembered. Last 7 years, not so much.

    Comment by sammy 4.0 — August 2, 2016 @ 2:24 pm

  8. Well, I guess Haters gonna hate, Wreckers gonna wreck … .

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 2, 2016 @ 2:28 pm

  9. Funny how the National Party gets a free pass from the Maori Party on foreshore and seabed when it was their dogwhistling on the subject that prompted the Labour Government into action. Or have we all decided to forget the Iwi/Kiwi billboards?

    Comment by Nick R — August 2, 2016 @ 2:36 pm

  10. “In 2011 the National-led government replaced the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 with the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011. Crown ownership of the foreshore and seabed was replaced with a ‘no ownership’ regime.” Te Ara
    So that meant the MP achieved what it wanted when it split from Labour ?

    Comment by ghostwhowalksnz — August 2, 2016 @ 2:51 pm

  11. Epsom’s not a race-based seat. Some Asian people live there, too.

    Gosh, I misread.
    I thought Richard said Well-heeled Electoral Boondoggle Based Seat. Silly me!

    Comment by Gregor W — August 2, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

  12. Clark seems to have almost zero chance of winning this thing.

    Sportsbet and Ladbrokes both have Clark at $4.00, and second favourite behind Irina Bokova (at $3.00) the UNESCO Director General and former deputy PM of Bulgaria.

    Comment by Phil — August 2, 2016 @ 4:35 pm

  13. Maori are noted for holding grudges (as explained to me by a good friend (maori-rangitira)–especially personal.

    Comment by A M Thom — August 2, 2016 @ 4:35 pm

  14. Ladbrokes know nothing.

    The Maori Party have had Whanau Ora, and a bunch of Treaty settlements that would have occurred under Labour. But mostly they’ve facilitated the greatest wealth transfer in the last century.

    Comment by Romance — August 2, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

  15. facilitated the greatest wealth transfer in the last century.

    The Maori party is responsible for the Auckland housing market?

    Comment by Phil — August 2, 2016 @ 5:27 pm

  16. Maori are noted for holding grudges…

    .Yeah right, just like their skulls don’t have a point on top like yours.

    Comment by Joe W — August 2, 2016 @ 6:24 pm

  17. The Maori Party was formed to promote what exactly?
    How will this action by the Maori Party promote anything apart from massaging aggrieved arrogant egos?
    The Maori Party clearly does not care about New Zealanders or New Zealand. New Zealanders will give them the same respect back.
    Even Dame Taria reckons they should have moved on.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — August 2, 2016 @ 7:13 pm

  18. Mistroke, Dame Tariana, my apologies.

    Comment by peterlepaysan — August 2, 2016 @ 7:36 pm

  19. Its a bad move by the MP.. IMO.

    They’ve just reminded the country of how little they offer and I’m sure Turia sees that too.

    JC

    Comment by JC — August 3, 2016 @ 8:52 am

  20. Also this is the party that has cuddled up for close to nine years to National, and for what? An inrease in poverty and homelessness which has had a disproportionate negative affect on Maori.

    Comment by max — August 3, 2016 @ 8:48 pm

  21. I mentioned a few reasons (early in this thread) why Helen Clark has never been credible. It’s also true that reasons can be found why the Maori Party isn’t credible. The best one also explains why Mana Motuhake died: pan-tribalism doesn’t exist for Maori. Such attempts to simulate it will never amount to anything more than a good try. The reason for that, apparently, lies in Maori group psychodynamics.

    Tribalism is so deep that Maori seem unable to transcend their antiquated belief system. True, they no longer eat each other. So they can make progress. As yet, however, the pan-tribal political endeavour of Maori amounts to nothing more than their effort to preserve the bicultural framework endowed by the Treaty. Clearly it’s a useful way to prevent Aotearoa becoming multicultural, but it also locks us into servitude to the British Crown. If you don’t believe that, then the best way for you to get real is to read the oath that all our parliamentarians must swear in order to serve as MPs.

    I hope Maori do get their act together. They can start by agreeing to abandon the dumb old double-dutch name of the country that the settlers foisted on us, that so many Aotearoans still wear like a dead albatross hanging around their necks. Then they can realise that clinging to the Treaty like toddlers clinging to their security blanket isn’t a good look. They can agree to reconstituting Aotearoa while preserving the Treaty as the foundation of our constitution. Then we can all become free citizens instead of remaining subservient to our respective patriarchies. If Helen Clark, or anyone in the Labour Party were genuinely progressive they would suggest this. Calling themselves progressive whilst adamantly refusing to make progress is hypocrisy. The traditional leftist sham is contemptible.

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 4, 2016 @ 3:53 am

  22. Then they can realise that clinging to the Treaty like toddlers clinging to their security blanket isn’t a good look. They can agree to reconstituting Aotearoa while preserving the Treaty as the foundation of our constitution.

    Actually, Dennis, if you bothered to look rather than just engaging in some pretty low-level racist generalising, you’d see that Maori have done a lot more thinking about how to “reconstitute Aotearoa while preserving the Treaty as the foundation of our constitution” than Pakeha have. See, for e.g., http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/MatikeMaiAotearoaReport.pdf

    As for “Tribalism is so deep that Maori seem unable to transcend their antiquated belief system”, that makes about as much sense as saying “Nationalism is so deep that Kiwis seem unable to transcend their antiquated belief system” when castigating New Zealanders for refusing to join Australia’s Federal Commonwealth as its seventh state. Why do they insist on continuing to see themselves as citizens of an independent country, rather than members of a joint Antipodean super state? In fact, why not just have one United Nations to rule us all? Bloody savages with their throw back beliefs, unsuited to a modern world.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 4, 2016 @ 7:54 am

  23. This is not much more than a dying twitch of a party that was organised to oppose something, was hijacked to become the political vehicle of tiny reactionary Maori elite who use the myth of noble savage tribalism to make common cause with the capitalist ruling class and is heading towards political extinction.

    Attacking Clark get’s some useful publicity for the MP, and reminds Maori voters why the party was formed. It also tells us they are politically bereft of anything appproaching a fresh idea and exist simply to mine a past wrong for self serving reasons.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 4, 2016 @ 9:21 am

  24. bereft of anything approaching a fresh idea and exist simply to mine a past wrong for self serving reasons.

    Deliberately snarky comment: It must be just like looking in a mirror, Sanc.

    Comment by Phil — August 5, 2016 @ 10:58 am

  25. Re #22: thanks for that link & I acknowledge the work done forms a substantial basis upon which to proceed. Now, if Maori could just transcend tribalism sufficiently to develop it into a political initiative…

    While using racism as an epithet is trendy if you’re a pc-drone, the habitual tendency to mis-use the term can be overcome – even for younger folk who hate to consult a dictionary. Just google racism & you’ll get a definition at the top of the page. Easy!

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 5, 2016 @ 11:25 am

  26. I did “google” it, and there was your name as the first result.

    “Google”. It’s so cute when old people play on the internet.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 5, 2016 @ 11:45 am

  27. Bit ageist, wasn’t it?

    Comment by leeharmanclark — August 5, 2016 @ 12:55 pm

  28. I don’t mind. I was using the only computer in Auckland in 1969 (university). My first demo the following year was the Halt All Racist Tours march against apartheid. He’ll grow up one day, if you wait long enough…

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 5, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

  29. @Dennis,

    Ah – you’re not a racist because some of the best protest marches you went on were for the blacks. Tell me, during the HART campaign, how did your Māori comrades react to your solemnly lecturing them on their “antiquated belief systems” and congratulating them for “no longer eat[ing] each other”, thus showing that “they can make progress”? Or do such views just come out on blog comment threads, a bit like Clint Eastwood lecturing an empty chair on a stage?

    You suggested a dictionary definition of racism, so here you go:

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

    Consider that, go back and have a read of how you described te ao Māori in relation to your particular cultural preconceptions and have a good look in a mirror. Because I don’t think you are what you seem to think you are.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 5, 2016 @ 4:00 pm

  30. Think what you like. Your mistake is to assume I am a certain type of person. Not only do I not believe my own race is superior, I don’t even believe that the concept of race has any validity. If it did, it would have been validated by genetic research into human origins in development. Books published by specialists in that field since the human genome was identified report complex genetic history; many migrations and genetic inter-mixing.

    Tribalism will continue to handicap Maori political development until they make the effort required to establish pan-tribal solidarity. So far such collaboration has only extended to support for the Treaty. Various tribes refused to sign that, too. The Maori Party purports to represent Maori interests, so why do so few Maori vote for them? Why did Mana Motuhake disappear? Think about it.

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 5, 2016 @ 6:00 pm

  31. I will think what I like. Thanks for that permission, Dennis.

    Now here’s something for you to think about. You’re calling on Māori to establish a “pan-tribal solidarity” so as to (at least in part) help Aotearoa become a state that ditches “the dumb old double-dutch name of the country that the settlers foisted on us”. Think for a moment about the assumptions that underlie your position.

    (1) Why do you expect unity from Māori and not from Pakeha? If the Wellington Council disagrees with the Hawkes Bay Council on some matter, do you shake your head in sorrow at the “antiquated belief systems” of those involved, whilst at least consoling yourself that the fact they are ““no longer burning each other at the stake” shows that “they are capable of progress”?

    (2) In what way is the notion of Aotearoa as a nation state progressive, modern and desirable (as you intimate), whilst identifying in tribal groups is backwards, primitive and to be rejected?

    Also, you can be a racist without believing “the concept of race has any validity.” You just move to talking about “cultures”, whilst still maintaining the assumption of higher and lower forms of human existence. So congratulations – you’re a cultural racist, not a biological one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_racism.

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 5, 2016 @ 6:26 pm

  32. Again you’re proceeding on the basis of flawed assumptions. Better for you to consider that than my assumptions. Of course Pakeha would have to achieve solidarity for a reconstitution of Aotearoa to get a mandate. That’s how we got MMP in. Your implication that I would expect anything less from Pakeha is totally unwarranted. Your equation of unity with solidarity likewise.

    Similarly your attempt to put words in my mouth in your second question is inappropriate. And if you reread the Wikipedia page you’ll see it is describing something quite different to my stance. It refers to people who see culture as un-evolving, static, and thus forming cultural stereotypes. I see culture as a flowing stream. Not all Maori wear a moko. Culture just does not bind people like that nowadays. Inventing straw men is a primitive way to communicate on blogs…

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 5, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

  33. You see culture as a flowing stream, which should be directed towards a better end goal that you have defined for Māori in your own terms. Hence your use of terms “antiquated” and “progress”. We’ve seen that game played for near on a couple of hundred years, Dennis. Probably time to give it a rest, eh?

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 5, 2016 @ 8:08 pm

  34. Love the blogs like this and Public Address, which is even worse. Wall-to-wall whities debating how many Maori can dance on the head of a pin.

    Comment by Marky mark — August 8, 2016 @ 7:35 am


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