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August 3, 2016

Outsourcing pig wrestling

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 6:31 am

Via RNZ:

President Barack Obama has said Republican nominee Donald Trump is unfit to be president, and questioned why his party still supports the New York billionaire’s candidacy.

“There has to come a point at which you say: ‘Enough’,” Mr Obama said.

Mr Trump has been sharply criticised for attacking the parents of a fallen US soldier who spoke out against him.

He has also been condemned for backing the Russian annexation of Crimea.

Mr Obama said he had had policy differences with previous Republican presidents and candidates – but added that he had never thought they could not function as president.

At last week’s Democratic National Convention, Khizr Khan – a Muslim whose son was killed serving in the US military in Iraq – criticised Mr Trump’s plan to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the US.

Mr Trump responded by attacking the “Gold Star” family, the term for families that have lost a relative in war. Democratic and Republican leaders as well as veterans’ groups quickly condemned him.

I feel like we’re seeing the Clinton campaign’s strategy for handling Trump play out: keep him in a constant fight against various surrogates and proxies, all calculated to damage him with swing voters, while Hilary remains above the fray. Trump’s brand is all about dominance and winning so he has to engage with these attacks from democratic surrogates – otherwise he’d look weak. And he, personally seems unable to see these traps for what they are, so he repeatedly blunders straight into them. Let’s see what his response to Obama is.

55 Comments »

  1. Like many narcissists, he thinks he is pretty much infallible. Look at how often he describes himself or his accomplishments as “tremendous”. When he blurts or reacts intemperately, he must be right because…it’s him.

    Comment by McNulty — August 3, 2016 @ 7:44 am

  2. As they say in The Wire, sheeeeeeeeeeit

    Comment by Nick — August 3, 2016 @ 7:57 am

  3. One of the tricky things about politics is that only people who are very narcissistic are suited to public political life, but if you go too far down that spectrum it makes them unfit to govern.

    Comment by danylmc — August 3, 2016 @ 7:59 am

  4. I’m sure people like Obama and Clinton are also pretty narcissistic – the difference is that they’re also self-aware enough not to act it out in the public eye (bar the occasional slip up).

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — August 3, 2016 @ 8:03 am

  5. I thought the Melania Trump photo release had the finger priints of Murdoch’s dark arts all over it. The NY Post is a Murdoch paper and Murdoch is in regular contact with Trump. Get it out of the way and release the nude shots now, and lay a trap to see if they could wedge any slut shaming Democrats who fell into the trap against the average saturated-in-everyday-soft-porn voter.

    Doesn’t seem to have worked, but this proxy war is going to be a two way street.

    The wrath of Khan (I had to do it) is proving to be extraordinarily damaging for Trump. His bedrock vote is de rigeur hyperpatriot, he is effectively attacking his own voter base.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 3, 2016 @ 8:04 am

  6. I wonder if we’ll see Khan Sr running for office in the next few years.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — August 3, 2016 @ 8:10 am

  7. Sanctuary, I was totally thinking Wrath of Khan too, so no need to apologise.

    And I’m not sure everyone saying “Trump isn’t fit to be President” are coordinating with Hillary. I suspect some of them just think Trump isn’t fit to be president, and they have an opportunity to say so.

    Comment by MarcoK — August 3, 2016 @ 8:10 am

  8. President Clooney in 2020 may need him.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 3, 2016 @ 8:12 am

  9. “President Clooney in 2020 ”

    Expecting Trump to win? Or something to happen to both Hillary and Kaine?

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — August 3, 2016 @ 8:16 am

  10. I think Hillary will be a one term president, although I am being tongue in check abourt Clooney everything he does these days looks presidential.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 3, 2016 @ 8:19 am

  11. I think it’s likely Hilary might lose in 2020, but I doubt she’d voluntarily stand down.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — August 3, 2016 @ 8:20 am

  12. Good point. Clooney for 2024!

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 3, 2016 @ 8:23 am

  13. The interesting thing is how the Khan faux pas is sticking to Trump big time with the voters, but his wifes photos just got a “who cares?” Shrug. It goes to show how the fake puritanism of the media no longer resonates with voters, most of whom have done something a bit dodgy themselves once.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 3, 2016 @ 8:33 am

  14. This whole thing is like a slow-mo train crash that I just can’t stop watching. Watching the Republican Party collapse under the weight of its own hypocrisy is becoming addictive.

    The Khan speech was very powerful, and Trump’s response about his own ‘sacrifice’ was unbelievable. Even I know the easy answer to that question is “No-one has sacrificed more than the parents of a soldier killed in combat.”

    Comment by HelenK — August 3, 2016 @ 10:02 am

  15. I’m thinking Trump supporters won’t be too worried about the ultimate sacrifice by a muslim family. They’re muslim. This might not hurt Trump at all in the eyes of many. The US has been steeped in anti-muslim sentiment since well before 9/11 thanks to it’s special relationship with Israel. I’ve seen this in Canada, too, as it bleeds across the border. The Toronto Star (a Liberal Party-aligned newspaper) destroyed the Conservative Party provincially in the 2007 election campaign by pointing out over and over that the Conservative’s policy of government funding for religious schools (a policy bought and paid for by wealthy Jewish donors in Toronto, long jealous of the funding catholic schools had enjoyed since more sectarian times a century prior) could mean taxpayers were going to be funding Muslim madrasa schools.

    The Conservative lead evaporated and the Liberals were returned to government in the provincial elections in October that year.

    One should not under-estimate the depth and reach of anti-muslim sentiment in the wider public across North America……even in the case of a dead soldier.

    Comment by truthseekernz — August 3, 2016 @ 10:07 am

  16. The Trumpissimo is way ahead of us here and has begun saying the election is “likely to be rigged”, anticipating his own defeat. This will have the effect of delegitimizing Clinton’s presidency, provoking widespread civil disobedience and creating a constitutional crisis.

    Comment by McNulty — August 3, 2016 @ 10:09 am

  17. to me – he (trump) sounds/looks unstable – not having been a politician – the relentless media attention and demand for consistency in a long campaign (something he’s never had to deal with before) are taking their toll on a fragile personality – i reckon he’s going to unravel

    I think this almost happened to key a couple of times but (unlike trump) he listens to his handlers and withdrew (or was withdrawn)

    Comment by rodaigh — August 3, 2016 @ 10:14 am

  18. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump tried to exit the race well before the election if he sees the writing on the wall that he’s going to lose on a landslide. Pence can become the nominee. No idea if that’s constitutionally possible though. I can’t believe how badly Trump handled the Khizr Khan thing.

    Comment by Jimmy — August 3, 2016 @ 10:45 am

  19. rodaigh: ” i reckon he’s going to unravel”

    How could we tell?

    Comment by Mark — August 3, 2016 @ 11:01 am

  20. The Clinton campaign strategy need amount to no more than allowing The Donald to talk and then keeping relatively quiet – a few nudges here and there to keep the whole thing going – while he talks over his talk.

    I’d like to think there’s an element of trolling Trump here, which would certainly be a delicious thought as his fans often boast of his trolling the media, Trump apparently having fully accepted Oscar Wilde’s thoughts on being talked about.

    Of course both sides were playing the Cindy Sheehan absolute moral authority game with the Khan family and the Smith family respectively. It’s just that Hillary played the attack on her as a politician should, whereas Trump did not. Hence the Khan’s get vastly more MSM coverage than did Pat Smith talking about her dead son and her blaming Hillary for his death.

    But Trump should have known that, so diddums.

    Comment by Tom Hunter — August 3, 2016 @ 11:28 am

  21. I really, really hope the Democrats capture the Senate as well.

    Comment by Sanctuary — August 3, 2016 @ 11:35 am

  22. Yeah, back when the Democrats made it clear that they intended to front the election campaign with a geriatric woman, I wondered why such idiocy & concluded that all leftists with integrity must have abandoned politics. Musing on which celebs could take advantage of the political vacuum, who would be a credible cheer-leader for the left, Clooney loomed as the obvious contender.

    It’s starting to look like Trump lacks competent political & media advisors, which suggests that his anti-establishment stance is genuine (the establishment would have supplied him with an entire team of insiders). Alternatively, he could be so narcissistic that he just routinely ignores his advisors. Seeming clueless now.

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 3, 2016 @ 11:58 am

  23. i recommend both this weeks and last weeks, john lover spots on RNC and DNC respectively – whole lotta crazy

    Comment by framu — August 3, 2016 @ 12:02 pm

  24. bah – john Oliver – (god damn fat fingers)

    Comment by framu — August 3, 2016 @ 12:03 pm

  25. “ence can become the nominee. No idea if that’s constitutionally possible though.”

    It’s not. Trump will be on the ballot regardless of what happens – potentially even if he died.

    What he could do is announce his intention to resign immediately after being elected, which would make Pence President, although technically Trump would still be President for a brief period, although he’d be competitive with Sayid bin Barghash for shortest serving head of state.

    Trump could also simply concede the election which would mean he would lose even if the votes were in his favour.

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — August 3, 2016 @ 1:04 pm

  26. I think Trump is rattled by how the nation hasn’t fallen at his feet. He’s lost quite a bit if that brazen – I don’t really care – confidence.

    Id be worried that he’ll try and stir up some sort of trouble.

    Comment by NeilM — August 3, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

  27. Id be worried that he’ll try and stir up some sort of trouble.

    Comment by NeilM — August 3, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

    Yeah, cornered rat, and all that. I expect things to get a LOT nastier over the next few months.

    Comment by HelenK — August 3, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

  28. Trump is counting on the notion that he can get away with creating as much bullshit as likes, and that no one will have enough energy needed to counteract it.

    Comment by Kumara Republic (@kumararepublic) — August 3, 2016 @ 1:33 pm

  29. One of the tricky things about politics is that only people who are very narcissistic are suited to public political life, but if you go too far down that spectrum it makes them unfit to govern. – danylmc

    You’re like the Plato of 2016, or something.

    Comment by Phil — August 3, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

  30. The Clinton campaign strategy need amount to no more than allowing The Donald to talk and then keeping relatively quiet ….I’d like to think there’s an element of trolling Trump here

    Exactly this,Tom.

    The Clinton campaign has Trump’s number; being who he is – so vain and so thin skinned – he only has one mode of response when he is attacked; double down. No nuances, no deflection, just absurd over-reaction.
    This character deficit plays perfectly into the Dems hands. Trump looks like the worst kind of unstable flake, Clinton can stay above it all and and continues use proxies to keep baiting him into petulant tantrums.

    It’s the political equivalent of squirting a dog in the face with a hose.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 3, 2016 @ 3:30 pm

  31. Unfortunately, now that Obama has made the suggestion it will be that much harder for any of the Republican nabobs to send him to Coventry.

    Comment by Adrian — August 3, 2016 @ 3:44 pm

  32. Trump continually makes outrageous statements and is rewarded by increases his popularity. Why is this any different?

    Comment by Owen — August 3, 2016 @ 4:05 pm

  33. So pleasing to see more and more Republicans such as Meg Whitman saying they will vote for Hillary.

    Comment by dpf — August 3, 2016 @ 4:35 pm

  34. Well David, she is the genuine Republican candidate so it makes sense.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 3, 2016 @ 4:46 pm

  35. Unfortunately, now that Obama has made the suggestion it will be that much harder for any of the Republican nabobs to send him to Coventry.
    That was the whole idea. The last thing he wants is for some poor, godforsaken, down-ballot Republican Senator or House member, to disown Trump.

    No, Obama wants to strangle GOP necks by lovingly draping Trump’s intestines around them. With this piece of trolling – or should I say clever piece of politics – he’s just cornered Ryan and the rest. You think they’re going to reject Trump now? Because Obama said so? Sure, they weren’t ever going to, but that was not the point.

    It’s almost as good as Billy boy at his best, proving once again that Obama was always better on the campaign trail than as President.

    Comment by Tom Hunter — August 3, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

  36. Obama wants to strangle GOP necks by lovingly draping Trump’s intestines around them

    Except that he said this in June: “what’s happened in that [ie the Republican] party culminating in this current nomination, I think is not actually good for the country as a whole. It’s not something Democrats should wish for.”

    Comment by McNulty — August 3, 2016 @ 6:06 pm

  37. Fuck this blog has become a circle jerk. Anyway.

    “No-one has sacrificed more than the parents of a soldier killed in combat.”

    As Trump pointed out the Iraq was a bullshit war created by lying Neo-cons supported by Clinton and the son’s sacrifice was thrown away when Zero abandoned it to the deadenders.

    You all sound like Jeb Bush. lol. Trump will piss in and you will all resort to calling Mericans stupid in a couple of months.

    “So pleasing to see more and more Republicans such as Meg Whitman saying they will vote for Hillary.”

    Trump has lost the insider Washington vote. Lol Meg fucking Whitman got to be worth a couple of points for Trump.

    Some people are clueless when it comes to understanding Trump and American in 2016 even if you don’t have to like him.

    Comment by Simon — August 3, 2016 @ 6:27 pm

  38. “when Zero[Obama] abandoned it to the deadenders.” The withdrawal treaty was signed by George Bush just after the 2008 polling day- he even went to Baghdad to show off his triumph and got a couple of shoes thrown for his trouble.
    Not too amazing to find the Manhattan Mussolinis supporters are brain dead as well as clueless.

    Comment by ghostwhowalksnz — August 3, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

  39. @Simon,

    Trump will piss in and you will all resort to calling Mericans stupid in a couple of months.

    Fuck waiting a couple of months. I’m starting now. ‘Muricans are stoopid. And so is Simon. Really dumb. Loser. Low energy. Sad.

    Actually … there’s something to this whole Trump thing … .

    Comment by Flashing Light — August 3, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

  40. @Simon: “As Trump pointed out the Iraq was a bullshit war created by lying Neo-cons”

    Shock jock Howard Stern asked Trump if he supported invading Iraq in September 2002, six months before the shooting started. Trump replied “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

    I get it that he is appealing to Americans because they see him as an anti-politician, but he lies all the time. Like whenever his lips move.

    Comment by McNulty — August 3, 2016 @ 7:38 pm

  41. @Dennis Frank the best quote I saw about Trump’s handlers was:

    …the longtime Republican consultant Mike Murphy said he sympathised with Trump’s campaign handlers. Training him, he suggested, was “like teaching Charles Manson the foxtrot”. Yes, maybe you could teach the notorious murderer a few steps and you’d think you were making progress – but then he’d stab you in the eye. “Because he’s Charles Manson.”

    Comment by Dave — August 3, 2016 @ 10:37 pm

  42. In his own words. Read the transcript of the Donald Trump interview by Philip Rucker of the Washington Post. Then try to diagnose Trump’s mental health issues.

    Comment by Bruce Hamilton — August 4, 2016 @ 9:37 am

  43. “I feel like we’re seeing the Clinton campaign’s strategy for handling Trump play out: keep him in a constant fight against various surrogates and proxies, all calculated to damage him with swing voters, while Hilary remains above the fray.”

    Obama is the POTUS and Trump wants to be actively engaged with the disaffected people of America, being attacked by the President is gold to him.

    Comment by unaha-closp — August 4, 2016 @ 10:10 am

  44. @tom_Hunter : “That was the whole idea. The last thing he wants is for some poor, godforsaken, down-ballot Republican Senator or House member, to disown Trump.”

    Hi Tom, Already there…
    Three-term Republican Rep. Richard Hanna said Trump is “unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country”

    https://www.salon.com/2016/08/02/i_think_trump_is_a_national_embarrassment_first_sitting_gop_congressman_endorses_hillary_clinton/

    Comment by MarcoK — August 4, 2016 @ 10:12 am

  45. Three-term Republican Rep. Richard Hanna said Trump is “unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country”

    Yep – but note that Hanna is not your usual Republican representative:

    “He has frequently split with his GOP colleagues on social issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage, and is among only 13 Republican House members to acknowledge that humans have contributed to climate change.” Hanna also plans to retire when his term ends, so he doesn’t face concerns about reelection as other lawmakers might.

    Comment by Andrew Geddis — August 4, 2016 @ 10:20 am

  46. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2016#Primary_dates
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2016#Primary_dates

    We’re now coming to the end of the primary season for the House and Senate. Republican legislators had to keep the pro-Trump activist base on their side, or else they faced the real possibility of losing to a “Trumpian” primary challenger. Now those races are largely over and there is a need to pivot to a general election audience. I suspect we’ll see a lot more Republicans come out against Trump toward the end of August.

    Comment by Phil — August 4, 2016 @ 12:29 pm

  47. Further to Phil’s comment, congressman Adam Kinzinger has now come out against Trump.

    He probably felt it was safe to do so, having won his Republican primary by 101,421 votes to 2.

    (OK, his opponent withdrew, but still … ).

    Comment by sammy 4.0 — August 4, 2016 @ 2:15 pm

  48. I have been meaning to ask sammy; what caused you to undergo a recent version upgrade?

    Comment by Gregor W — August 4, 2016 @ 2:24 pm

  49. For a bit of fun, Jim Jeffries on Donald Trump (skip ahead to 1m5s):

    Comment by Ataahua — August 4, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

  50. It’s odd how Trump and Corbyn are both leading their respective parties to spectacular defeat and they share similar views of Putin,

    Comment by NeilM — August 5, 2016 @ 9:09 am

  51. NeilM – It’s odd how you continue to concern-troll complete nonsense without a shred of self reflection.
    I’m starting to think you’re some sort of automated heuristic information processing experiment.

    Comment by Gregor W — August 5, 2016 @ 9:26 am

  52. It’s odd how Trump missed an obvious marketing opportunity. Since Christ was his father’s middle name, he could have launched his campaign for the presidency by declaring himself the son of Christ. Okay, not quite the son of God, but still guaranteed to appeal to the tens of millions of nutjob christian voters in the USA. He must’ve figured he didn’t need that extra leverage, being likely to coast in on charisma alone.

    His dad, Frederick Christ Trump, was more modest, calling himself Fred instead of F. Christ Trump. I suppose in elementary school hearing other kids saying “Christ!” all the time was too distracting, when it turned out they weren’t actually calling him.

    Comment by Dennis Frank — August 5, 2016 @ 9:54 am

  53. declaring himself the son of Christ. Okay, not quite the son of God

    Apparently the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father, but they are all God.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

    Comment by Phil — August 5, 2016 @ 10:56 am

  54. At least Trump has the good sense not to make speeches from Red Square.

    Comment by NeilM — August 8, 2016 @ 6:16 am

  55. Trump’s brash New York style is his biggest foe as well as his biggest ally.

    Comment by Daniel Lang — August 10, 2016 @ 9:53 am


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