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August 8, 2016

Another outsourced question

Filed under: Uncategorized — danylmc @ 2:23 pm

My memory seems terrible these days, so these requests may become a common feature of the blog. A few weeks ago, at the height of the abortive leadership campaign against Jeremy Corbyn there was an excerpt from a speech doing the rounds on various UK blogs and social media of (I think) a former Labour leader (MacDonald? Atlee?) castigating his own party for an obsession with principle over pragmatism with lines similar to ‘what wins applause at party conferences does not win applause in general elections’. Now I can’t find it! Anyone else see this and remember the speaker, or any searchable details?

10 Comments »

  1. Neil Kinnock

    Comment by Simon — August 8, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

  2. http://www.britishpoliticalspeech.org/speech-archive.htm?speech=191

    Comment by Ortvin Sarapuu — August 8, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

  3. Much better to look at scholarly paper on this very subject
    “Claps and Claptrap: The Analysis of Speaker-Audience Interaction in Political Speeches” by Peter Bull Journal of Social and Political Psychology.

    Its a how to manual really- “The overall aim of this paper is to propose a new theoretical model of speaker-audience interaction in set-piece political speeches, based on the concept of dialogue between speaker and audience. Research is reviewed not only on applause, but also on other audience responses, such as laughter, cheering, chanting, and booing.”
    http://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/436/html

    Comment by ghostwhowalksnz — August 8, 2016 @ 3:08 pm

  4. See: May’s Law of Curvilinear disparity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvilinear_disparity for the political science take on this

    Comment by Gster — August 8, 2016 @ 3:41 pm

  5. It all makes NZ politics look boringly sensible.

    Someone like Minto is never going to be leader of the opposition, the Greens wouldn’t have Jill Stein as leader and nor would National have someone like Trump.

    Comment by NeilM — August 8, 2016 @ 9:42 pm

  6. But then neither Labour or the Greens have anyone of the caliber of Obama or Clinton.

    Comment by NeilM — August 8, 2016 @ 9:45 pm

  7. I don’t think the divide is Principle vs Pragmatism it’s between those whose enormous skepticism is only matched by their extremely gullible vs anyone with any sense of perspective.

    Corbyn supported the IRA and Chavez bit is and is spookily sympathetic to Putin and yet proclaims himself to be peace-loving anti-imperialist.

    And the US Green Party Vice Presidential candidate comes up with this:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/04/the-syrian-elections/

    Comment by NeilM — August 8, 2016 @ 10:14 pm

  8. Neil Kinnock

    Thanks!

    Comment by danylmc — August 9, 2016 @ 8:06 am

  9. The Welshman banged the same drum recently in a ‘remarkable’ speech that delighted the Guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/secret-recording-neil-kinnock-jeremy-corbyn-step-down-speech-to-mps-in-full

    Comment by Peter Malcouronne — August 9, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

  10. “6.But then neither Labour or the Greens have anyone of the caliber of Obama or Clinton.”

    I’m sure we could rack our brains to come up with an example of someone who has achieved nothing and someone who is suspiciously wealthy, within the ranks of the L or the G.

    Comment by Clunking Fist — August 13, 2016 @ 1:51 pm


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